Counter: Shoot it

Logistics makes fights fun and strategic, and last longer.

OP must have been recently raped by a fleet that had logi and was following an FC that didn't know how to counter it.

Using your numbers here.

1. 2 sides each with 5 Armageddon's and each with 2 Guardians repping 1700 of the incoming damage with the damage output being 2000.

2. Side one has a half assed FC calling the shots and begins to primary one of the 'geddons.

3. Side two has a more knowledgable FC and calls Guardian A primary dropping the avalibility of the repping power to 851. Call goes out for an overheat of damage upping the damage output to 2750 (which in effect due to the size and natural bonuses of the guardian the incoming damage would be probally half of that so call it 1100 dps)

4. 1100 dps incoming vs 851 damage repped and Guardian A is quickly dispatched. Guardian B has no cap transfer and
can no longer maintain stability and choosing correctly as he isn't aggressed and jumps the gate.

5. Side 1 looses 2 more 'geddons before they can successfully de-aggress and Side 2 is left to loot the field.

I believe we have balance.

Logis used to only have medium reps.

No-one flew them. Your idea would remove a ship line and tactic from the game

hahahhaaa sounds like someone doesnt have logi support in corp or alliance, and comes here to cry to ccp to make the game fun for just him. what a self entitled snow flake.

As logistics pilot I want to thank those who added 1-5 "likes" already to counter-argument answers to this post - which didn't got a single "like" yet.

don't mind him,
he's just pissed that he can't kill anything in his high sec war because gw3ndolin3 keeps using a neutral guardian and oneiros

Ah yes use one of the worst ships for an RR BS as an example to why Logistics ships need to be nerfed.

Armageddon has one spare high slot for a remote rep mod. Bad.
It only has three midslots. Bad.
It uses its cap for guns. Bad.

This is not a good ship to base your argument on.

[EDIT] - As it seems your main gripe is not being able to kill things before they can deagress and dock perhaps try fighting somewhere they cannot use that dock button.

Allot of people can't spell "a lot"

lol, your belief is not good enough reason to fix anything. Your belief is like saying Titan's were WTFOMGBBQ poweful, but in actually your belief is covering the fact that you suck just as much the guys getting shot by XL guns.

See, my belief is that it is infact the whiney players that can't adapt that are the problem. Someone points out to shoot the guardian, OP says that is stupid. OMG OP is one dumb dude.

See, the problem in EVE is that we have people on both sides of the fence in EVE and one adapts to some plan/strategy/tactic but the other side deems it not fair requesting CCP fix everything from XL gun tracking, JF are riskless because they can avoid people (which is what its supposed to ******* do), move level 4s to lowsec, remote neutrol reppers, self destruct ect. Why is it that the people in this game cannot ******* adapt, so they instead fly capital ships that don't pop to XL guns, guys cannot get better at trying to catch JF, just leave station where the guys are using the remote reps (you don't have to acutally fight them), increase the needed DPS before a ship explodes (after the first fight, you should relize what you need to increase...DPS of course) or this is really insane...but how about people try to lead those dudes that run level 4s in lowsec by being a supportive model leader.

Incase you all just got blurry eyed over the last sentence, why don't you adapt and get better at EVE. When someone decides to pay their subscription to dedicate theselves to some plan of their own, CCP doesn't need to change the game just because you keep losing. That would be like asking the guys who have the better run times in the upcomming olympics to leave the games, just because they are .01 seconds better then you is no excuse you cannot become self improved and become .02 seconds better then without an outside party (CCP in this case) to make you feel more like a champ.

I mean i could see nerfing if we had 3 man BS roams going around with 3 logi, and were unstopable and unkillable, but thats just NOT THE CASE.

A. Alpha
B. ECM
C. Neuts (a curse for gods sake)

1/10 troll

OP is a pro (big fan) logi pilot

And yes i've flown with him many times... but he doesn't know how I am so .I.. :p

so you want to nerf something that allows smaller fleets take on fleets that are bigger then them......

Neut rr is a different matter entirely.

You're talking about simple logis here.

You're raving about something that would change the gameplay of people in null sec or wormholes too (you know, the real pvp...)

There are 2 possibilities: you're a troll or you're just mad you werent able to kill someone.

(also is funny you talk about "risk aversion" while going around with neut logiS, why dont you go around solo champ?)

Jams last 20 seconds.

Why would someone fly a Guardian with only "base skills"?

I believe your 36% chance-to-jam is too low, especially if you are assuming "perfect skills." What ship is the ECM jammer flying? What type of jammer is it using (racial? multispec? t2?) Is the jamming ship fit with rigs? Is the pilot overheating his jammers? Are there fleet boosters available? Many things can affect the chance to jam. Too lazy to do the math myself right now, but some simple and quick math off the top of my head, flying a reasonably well fit ecm-bonused ship, I'm thinking I'm going to successfully jam a Guardian closer to 65% of the time.

Welp, i'm out.

Have fun whining i guess.

You're right:

Welp i'm out.

You're a **** **** eating ******.

by all means.. lets make all fights insta-ganks. we should be able to push a button and everyone pvp should die at once and quickly.. (sic)